WHO LET THE DOGS OUT!?!

[Darkvoidof40k]

Okay everybody, an unexpected turn for me. As you may have probably guessed from the title, I'm starting up a Space Pups army. I honestly have no idea how it happened; I just looked at the codex, and built an army list. I tend to build army lists for every codex a read, especially the SM codex, must have about 30+ lists by now! Emperor knows where they are though... Anyway, as with most of my army lists, this has swollen to 2,500pts (Actually, 2,501pts  )
so it must be my magic (pts) number. This, of course, will be my first proper army that has a stard and a finish. 'Least that's the plan. I bet you're all sitting there wondering what the list is? Well, then here you go!



The above no longer applies, 'cause this is a new list thingy. ^.^
HQ: 725pts

Wolf Lord Bran Redmaw with Power armour, Frag and Krak grenades, bolt pistol, Frost sword, melta bombs, Wolftooth necklace, wolf tail talisman, belt of Russ and saga of the warrior born: 205pts

Rune Priest Gerard Feralheart with the psychic powers Jaws Of The World Wolf and Tempests Wrath, Wolftooth necklace, power armour, runic weapon, frag and krak grenades, bolt pistol and saga of the beastslayer: 120pts

Wolf Guard Battle Leader Marcus Clawblade with Power armour, frag and krak grenades, bolt pistol, Frost axe, Wolftooth Necklace, Wolf tail amulet, melta bombs and saga of the hunter: 125pts

Logan Grimnar: 275pts

Elites: 794pts

5 Wolf scouts, including one scout with a melta gun, one scout with a Powersword and bolt pistol and three models with CCW's and bolt pistols:
100pts

5 Wolf Scouts, including 2 scouts with Melta Bombs and bolt pistols and CCW’s, 1 scout with a Meltagun and Melta Bombs, and 2 scouts with Bolt pistols and CCW’s: 100pts

Venerable Dreadnought with Wolftooth necklace and Wolftail talisman: 180pts
Drop Pod: 35pts

8 Wolf Guard (may be taken as troops; Grimnar rule): 414pts

Haarkon the Vengeful with Terminator armour and two Wolf Claws: 48pts
Sven Ironsoul with Terminator armour, Chain fist and Storm shield: 63pts
Felix the Sly with Terminator armour, Frost axe and storm bolter: 43pts
Eric Surefoot with Terminator armour, Powerfist and storm bolter: 43pts
Andreas the Quick Witted with Terminator armour, storm bolter and power weapon: 33pts
Jorn the Merciless with Terminator armour, Thunder hammer and storm shield: 63pts
Carl the Hotblooded with Terminator armour, chainfist and storm bolter: 48pts
Rothir the Blessed with Terminator armour, Frost axe and assault cannon : 73pts


Troops: 740pts

10 Grey Hunters including one with a Powersword and one with a plasma gun: 175pts
Rhino with Extra Armour: 15pts

10 Grey Hunters including one with a Powersword, and one with a plasma gun: 175pts
Rhino with Extra Armour: 15pts

9 Blood Claws including 1 powerfist: 160pts
Drop Pod (BC's and Bran Redmaw): 35pts

9 Blood Claws including 1 powerfist: 160pts
Drop Pod (BC's and Gerard Feralheart): 35pts

Fast Attack: 145pts

5 Swiftclaw bikers, including 1 with a powersword and melta bombs: 145pts


Heavy Support: 680pts

Wolf Guard Land Raider Crusader with Extra armour and Multi Melta: 275pts

6 Long Fangs including squad leader and 5 Long Fangs Lascannons: 215pts

6 Long Fangs including squad leader and 5 long Fangs with Plasma Cannons: 190pts

 CURRENTLY HAVE: 1,130pts (next addition will make: 1,925pts)


HQ: 125pts
Wolf Guard Battle Leader Marcus Clawblade with Power armour, frag and krak grenades, bolt pistol, Frost axe, Wolftooth Necklace, Wolf tail amulet, melta bombs and saga of the hunter: 125pts

ELITES: 360pts
5 Wolf scouts, including one scout with a melta gun, one scout with a Powersword and bolt pistol and three models with CCW's and bolt pistols:
100pts

5/8 Wolf Guard: 260pts
Haarkon the Vengeful with Terminator armour and two Wolf Claws: 48pts
Eric Surefoot with Terminator armour, Powerfist and storm bolter: 43pts
Andreas the Quick Witted with Terminator armour, storm bolter and power weapon: 33pts
Jorn the Merciless with Terminator armour, Thunder hammer and storm shield: 63pts
Rothir the Blessed with Terminator armour, Frost axe and assault cannon: 73pts

TROOPS: 370pts
10 Grey Hunters including one with a Powersword and one with a plasma gun: 175pts

9 Blood Claws including 1 powerfist: 160pts
Drop Pod (BC's and Bran Redmaw): 35pts

FAST ATTACK: 0pts



HEAVY SUPPORT: 275pts
Wolf Guard Land Raider Crusader with Extra armour and Multi Melta: 275pts


Next to come: 795pts

BATTEFORCE (470pts) and space wolves bitz frame and SM commander set for Bran Redmaw (205pts) and Rune Priest as Gerald Feralheart (120pts)

Wolf Lord Bran Redmaw with Power armour, Frag and Krak grenades, bolt pistol, Frost sword, melta bombs, Wolftooth necklace, wolf tail talisman, belt of Russ and saga of the warrior born: 205pts

Rune Priest Gerard Feralheart with the psychic powers Jaws Of The World Wolf and Tempests Wrath, wolf tooth necklace, power armour, runic weapon, frag and krak grenades, bolt pistol and saga of the beastslayer: 120pts


5 Wolf Scouts, including 2 scouts with Melta Bombs and bolt pistols and CCW’s, 1 scout with a Meltagun and Melta Bombs, and 2 scouts with Bolt pistols and CCW’s: 100pts

10 Grey Hunters including one with a Powersword and one with a plasma gun: 175pts

9 Blood Claws including 1 powerfist: 160pts
Drop Pod (BC's and Gerard Feralheart): 35pts

[Akenseth]

The same thing happened to my friend playing Necrons. He saw the new wolves and decided to build a new army. As for the build I can't really comment on Wolves yet, not having looked too much into them and not have played against them yet.

Looking forward to seeing some pictures.

[Razgob]

There is such a thing as a finish to an army...?

What kind of gamer are you?! 

[Akenseth]

My armies would be finished if I would just stop getting new models. 

[Silar]

My armies would be finished if I would just stop getting new models. 

QFT!
That's the problem with Eldar we have the best models ever!

[Darkvoidof40k]

Naw, 'Super-interchangable Space Wolves' have more conversion options. Eldar have good models, but most are feeble metal ones. Wolves, we have epic kits that are some of the best already, yet we can convert them to make them even better. Personally, I think the best models are the ones that have background, are well modelled and painted. Anyway - NO SPAM PLEASE! Keep on topic guys... or take it somewhere else...

But yes I agree, wolves have been made overpowed as oppose to normal marines, OR as I truly beleive (wtf - contradiction), the wolves codex is the improvements that GW would make to the SM codex now if they could. No other explanation, I mean compare the tactical marine to the Grey hunter:
                          WS     BS     S    T      W    I    A  LD   SV
Tactical Marine:   4        4      4    4      1     4   1   8    3+
Grey Hunter:       4        4      4    4      1     4   1   8    3+

No differance, you say? Well take a looksie at the Special rules and Wargear:

Grey Hunter:

Wargear: Bolter, Bolt Pistol, CCW, Frag 'n' Krak 'nades, power armour
Special Rules: And They Shall Know No Fear, acute senses, counter attack

That CCW alone makes all the differance! And for those of you who don't know the differance between tictac marine and Hunters:

Tactical:

Wargear: Bolter, Bolt Pistol, Frag 'n' Krak 'nades, power armour. (No ccw!  )
Special Rules: And They Shall Know No Fear.

SEE?

And last of all, the pts per model...

Tactical tictac marine: first 90pts for 5 you have to pay, then its 16pts per model from then on! 10 guys = 170pts.

Grey Hunters: Scrapped the 90pts, it's just 15 (yes, FIFTEEN) pts per model so 10 Grey Hunters = 150pts! Insanity!

I rest my case...



                 ... I pick up my Wolf tooth Necklace. wO0T.

[Lucaren]

Yes but then you look at the rest of the entrys and realise that the majority of tem are based off blood claws which are WS and BS 3 this makes a huge differnece ro averages and ability of these units. So grey hunters are the acception the this rule of trainees hence why they seem much better than tactical marines. In short you stay as a blood claw longer so you can train to be a grey hunter which requires more skill than that of a tactical marine.

[Darkvoidof40k]

Y'know, I think most aspects of Codex Chapter training is better... but actually I recently figured it out.

Normal Space Marines cost more and don't have a CCW because of combat tactics and combat squads. Combat tactics is pretty crap, but if you've got Vulcan or someone in there, it's massive! Combat squads... meh. Pretty decent ability, I think. Space Wolves have Acute Senses and Counter attack (and the ccw ^^) instead. Acute senses isn't that great, but it fits with the fluff and I like it for that, but otherwise it doesn't help much. Dawn of War; 1 turn on Night fighting, y'know, 1 in 3 chance of getting that deployment anyway, so it doesn't help that often, but I suppose even that could mean the difference between victory and defeat... Counter Attack - usually the Space Wolves are the ones charging, it's just a bit of a failsafe if you ask me... but a pretty damn good one though.

There. Justification for y'all. Meh.

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