Map Curve (Need Input)

[Akenseth]

As you may be aware there are some problems ( http://aftermath-sector.com/index.php/topic,240.msg2355/topicseen.html ) with the calculation of the map. I'm putting up this poll so we can work out what solution people are interested in seeing to this problem.

If you have any additional comments, please leave them here.

[Apostles of Contagion]

Do we continue to post battles until this is resolved?  I ask because it now makes a big difference where we place our battles.

[Akenseth]

There will not be any updates and anything you post won't be counted towards the Campaign until there is a firm resolution decided upon by the participants.

[Apostles of Contagion]

sounds good, thank you.
 
I will pass along the info for the FoD to hold their battles.

[Caanon]

I'd say fix the problem but keep the map the same and history the same. This way the great victories and heroic last stands, deceptions stay and are rather balanced between the two teams.

[J8]

I would like some time to think about this.

[Encephalatitus]

Akenseth, can you fix the problem and then go back in and adjust the control numbers to the levels they are now?

If so, what would the reprocussions be?

[Akenseth]

Well, my concern with that is what day do we base it off of? If we used the current percentages, would everyone be okay with them?

[Encephalatitus]

 I believe you previously posted that if you were to fix the curve, and not adjust the data, the FoO would recieve around a 2% "increase".

Therefore it is relatively safe to say.......

If you fixed the curve and adjusted the data to current percentages, the FoO would not get that 2% "increase."

If we were to use the current percentages after fixing the curve, I would not have a problem with that (I get to keep my "puss party", the Relic of Flamberg is still destroyed, and the FoO get to keep the smack down they are giving us on Tabulis Rift), but I do not want to slight the FoO either.  I think they FoO should figure out what they think is fair (within reason) since they have been the ones who got the short end of the stick     
 

[Akenseth]

As long as everyone is okay with that, because the percentages we got to were arrived at by the bad calculations.

[J8]

With the unbalanced nature of the two sides at the moment all of the options become unfavourable to the minority faction, the FoO at some significant point.  While I had thought this method had been intentional for quite some time as I recall when we held the galactic wide campaign, Caanon's Black Death Legion had invaded Voxen and even though I began matching him report for report each day the control of my system continued to slip because he had a greater number of reports already placed.  I had to get help from the rest of the FoO to place extra battles there so that we started to regain control before the site exploded.

However with the smaller numbers we have it is true the mechanics likely do need to be slightly different.  However All of the options are favourable to the forces of disorder, and not so much to the FoO.

To not alter the problem, though giving the Forces of Order the ability to take advantage of what the FoD have had on several planets, simply gives the FoD the continued ability to use that now deemed unfair method.
If we kept our history of events but corrected the technical issue, that is either by:
   a. The sectors statistics are made in line with what they would have been if we never had this problem.  The FoD still have their victories despite the changes showing they never reached them.  The FoO have their current impending victory pushed further out of reach and do not receive the same benefits in their continued attack that the FoD had received.
   b. The sectors statistics are kept at their 'incorrect' values that we have been working with.  Though the FoO don't regain any footing on their lost worlds, the morale loss of these have already taken place.  It does set them up closer to achieving a warzone victory than option a but again they do not gain the benefits in their continued attack on Tabulis Rift that FoD had received on the planets they attacked.

Rewriting history isn't favourable because basically it resets the campaign to an earlier point, and with the current line up of opposing sides it looks like it would simply follow the same route but with less effect possible from the FoO.

I'm not currently inclined to pick any of these options, nor do I feel all that great about asking for ones that better aid my side.

[Gubbinzead]

I have literally just joined, and have submitted nothing to this at all, so take my words for the salt they're worth.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's a problem with the mechanics and math in the system itself because the two forces are not balanced as far as the number of members in each are concerned. The reason I joined this is because of the story: however it plays out is how it plays out, but I would concede the 2% increase mentioned earlier simply because the FoO has been shortchanged. Call it compensation to them, which is only fair considering the system has been working against them.

Here's to a swift recovery and return to normal, correct operation!

[Encephalatitus]

J8, I believe you are mistaken in your analysis.

In a) you stated ......."The FoD still have their victories despite the changes showing they never reached them.  The FoO have their current impending victory pushed further out of reach and do not receive the same benefits in their continued attack that the FoD had received."

The planets/systems that we won with the curve would still have been victories even without the curve.  Our victories would still be victories, they just wouldn't be as big of a margin of control.  The adjusted numbers will show this.  The same applies for your push on Tabulis Rift.  You still get credit for outposting us, but you won't get the curve bonus.

I guess what I am saying is:

The FoD kicked your butts and outposted you in those warzones, and the FoO is kicking our butts and outposting us in T.Rift.  The actual #'s  will stay where they are now, but swings in control will be much harder for both sides. 

I  have a fairly accurate breakdown of the battles placed in those warzones if you want to see them.

If you still don't like that, then may I suggest  we reset the FoD's # to where they should be and keep your advntage on T.Rft.

I really don't care either way.  Tis but a game, and win or lose, I intend to have fun 

[Akenseth]

I'm beginning to think that the best solution might be to take the values we have now, correct the mechanics, and place the current percentage values into the map

While I had thought this method had been intentional for quite some time as I recall when we held the galactic wide campaign, Caanon's Black Death Legion had invaded Voxen and even though I began matching him report for report each day the control of my system continued to slip because he had a greater number of reports already placed.  I had to get help from the rest of the FoO to place extra battles there so that we started to regain control before the site exploded.

It is intentional that the map works like that; however, not anywhere near the degree that it should. It is adding two values together before it is dividing one of them, and that is the problem - the order of operations is not correct. It stems from me placing an extra set of brackets in there by mistake.

I believe you previously posted that if you were to fix the curve, and not adjust the data, the FoO would recieve around a 2% "increase".

Therefore it is relatively safe to say.......

If you fixed the curve and adjusted the data to current percentages, the FoO would not get that 2% "increase."

If we were to use the current percentages after fixing the curve, I would not have a problem with that (I get to keep my "puss party", the Relic of Flamberg is still destroyed, and the FoO get to keep the smack down they are giving us on Tabulis Rift), but I do not want to slight the FoO either.  I think they FoO should figure out what they think is fair (within reason) since they have been the ones who got the short end of the stick    
  

I would say that this is probably our best option, though it will take a little longer to get the map back this way.

To not alter the problem, though giving the Forces of Order the ability to take advantage of what the FoD have had on several planets, simply gives the FoD the continued ability to use that now deemed unfair method.
If we kept our history of events but corrected the technical issue, that is either by:
   a. The sectors statistics are made in line with what they would have been if we never had this problem.  The FoD still have their victories despite the changes showing they never reached them.  The FoO have their current impending victory pushed further out of reach and do not receive the same benefits in their continued attack that the FoD had received.
   b. The sectors statistics are kept at their 'incorrect' values that we have been working with.  Though the FoO don't regain any footing on their lost worlds, the morale loss of these have already taken place.  It does set them up closer to achieving a warzone victory than option a but again they do not gain the benefits in their continued attack on Tabulis Rift that FoD had received on the planets they attacked.

Rewriting history isn't favourable because basically it resets the campaign to an earlier point, and with the current line up of opposing sides it looks like it would simply follow the same route but with less effect possible from the FoO.

For option B. it would actualy make it easier to take back some of the Warzones that the FoD have taken, but, your push into Tabulis Rift would also become that much harder.


 

[Akenseth]

The planets/systems that we won with the curve would still have been victories even without the curve.  Our victories would still be victories, they just wouldn't be as big of a margin of control.  The adjusted numbers will show this.  The same applies for your push on Tabulis Rift.  You still get credit for outposting us, but you won't get the curve bonus.

I guess what I am saying is:

The FoD kicked your butts and outposted you in those warzones, and the FoO is kicking our butts and outposting us in T.Rift.  The actual #'s  will stay where they are now, but swings in control will be much harder for both sides.

Essentially this is the difference - give or take a few percentage points in either direction.

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